Challenge
When you awake with a dream in mind, observe any insights or emotions that arise. Allow space for hidden wisdom to surface. Stretch your arms.
CHALLENGE ◆ DISCUSS ◆ BEELZEBUB'S TALES
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When you awake with a dream in mind, observe any insights or emotions that arise. Allow space for hidden wisdom to surface. Stretch your arms.
Experiences
L had become aware, one evening, that he had been pecking at his food over supper. When he chewed more slowly, he felt calmer. Generally, he had observed that slowing down brought a feeling of calmness. Recently, he had acquired a virtual reality headset and found that when he felt distracted or busy, putting it on and entering a peaceful natural environment had helped him appreciate the calmness real nature can provide.
Responses
T was intrigued by L’s mention of virtual reality as a tool for appreciating nature. She had initially viewed it as unnatural, but could now reconsider it, as if VR can help one appreciate nature more deeply, it might enhance the real-world experience of being in nature.
Passage
And all cosmic truths usually become known to all on these planets, thanks to the fact that the beings of the given planet who by their conscious labors learn some truth or other share it with other beings of their planet, and in this way all the cosmic truths gradually become known by all the beings of the given planet without any distinction.
Thanks to this sacred process, intentionally actualized by our ALL-FORESEEING COMMON ENDLESS FATHER, it is foreseen that in the three-brained beings of the given planet, during the process in their presences of the fundamental cosmic holy law of Triamazikamno, the superfluity of its third holy force thereby obtained, namely, the force of the ‘sacred reconciling,’ should by itself crystallize data in them for engendering that something which is what is called ‘being-Egoaitoorassian-will.’
Discussion
N compared the sharing of cosmic truths to sharing scientific advancements, though in the case of modern science complications had arisen, notably because of quantum mechanics, in the pursuit of a unified cosmic understanding.
L supported the idea that over time, planets and life forms naturally progressed toward harmony and consciousness.
T commented on the uniqueness of Earth’s development, reflecting the special condition mentioned in the extract. N thought likewise that the Earth’s conditions had been absolutely right for fostering human evolution.
Passage
And the second fact ... they intentionally try by every kind of means, for the purpose of making them respond to these abnormal conditions round them, to fix in their ‘logicnestarian-localizations’ as many impressions as possible obtained exclusively only from such artificial perceptions as are again due to the results of their abnormal existence—which maleficent action of theirs towards their offspring they call ‘education’ ... and the totality of these artificial perceptions is then perceived by them, owing to their naïvete, as their real ‘consciousness.’ But as for the sacred data for genuine being-consciousness put into them by Great Nature ... which engender in them the genuine sacred being-impulses of ‘faith,’ ‘hope,’ ‘love,’ and ‘conscience’—these data, becoming gradually also isolated and being left to themselves, evolve independently of the intentions of the responsible beings, and of course also independently of the bearers of them themselves, and come to be regarded as what is called the ‘subconsciousness.’
Discussion
N said Gurdjieff was trying to explain why humanity was in its current state of artificial consciousness. We were not allowed our any other because education put us in the wrong place, and we just then followed what our parents and teachers told us. Gurdjieff was suggesting that true responsibility and the more authentic aspects of human nature resided deep within the subconscious.
Experiences
A few days before, L had met a disabled man whilst walking home, who asked for help carrying a guitar to a higher floor. On a previous occasion, this man, who was of intense character, had said he recognised L from hundreds of years before, though L had no recollection of this. L inwardly spoke to his late father. Later, on a walk to see the sunset, L noticed a banner reading “Sunset Club” and saw a group gathered there. A Google search revealed the club posed questions to prompt social interaction, including one about speaking to the dead. This synchronicity seemed allied to the challenge.
N had been saddened by the recent death of French actor Alain Delon, whom N had admired for his intensity in acting and business success, despite a difficult childhood and challenges in his personal life. His ability to maintain a striking presence throughout his life stood out. N had planned to mention Delon at a talk, but an earlier speaker made exactly the point that N was planning to make, that people are their own brand. N felt the timing was extraordinarily synchronistic.
T had noticed people gazing at their phones intently on the train, and she in turn looked out more intently out of the window at the beautiful sunset, which nobody else saw. She had become aware of the contrast between light and shadow, noting how the darks seemed darker, and the lights brighter. The sharpness of the shadows had left a visual memory, with distinct squares of shadow standing out in her recollection.
Responses
L found the synchronicity in N’s experience interesting, particularly the notion that thoughts might be floating around. L referenced the philosopher Gad Saad, who discusses a similar concept in his book The Parasitic Mind. According to Saad, beliefs can spread like diseases, existing independently of individuals.
Passage
... thanks to the fact that at this period most of the learned beings there had already become learned beings of new formation they sat upon this new revival so firmly that before the poor thing had time to develop, it soon found its way into their common what is called ‘rubbish heap.’ ...
This particularity of the learned beings of the Earth of new formation is called 'pecking to death'.
Discussion
N said that sometimes new ideas got "pecked to death", but more often new things never come about because people got too much invested in the past.
Passage
of new formation had in general become mechanized to do, he was, according to the custom there, very meticulously ‘pecked to death.’
For instance, all the books now existing there on the question of this hypnotism—and of such books there are thousands there—always begin by saying that this Mesmer was nothing more nor less than a rogue with an itching palm and a charlatan of the first water, but that our ‘honest’ and ‘great’ learned beings very soon saw through him and prevented his doing any kind of mischief.
The more the learned beings of recent times of this peculiar planet are themselves personally, in the sense of ‘idiotism,’ ‘squared,’ the more they criticize Mesmer and say or write concerning him every possible kind of absurdity to bring him into contempt...
Discussion
T drew a parallel to how Elon Musk was facing similar public scrutiny, noting that some individuals today were being “pecked to death” in various ways for expressing ideas that governments might not be sympathetic to.
Passage
As this Frenchman also made practical experiments, not in the usual fashion there, for the elucidation of the details of his discovery, other contemporary learned beings thereupon also manifested toward him that same particularity of theirs—‘to peck him to death.’
This terrible disease is called there ‘cancer.’
...there will never proceed in the presences of the three-brained beings of this ill-fated planet Earth of yours what is called the sacred ‘Antkooano,’...
that process of perfecting the Objective-Reason ...
As a rule, everywhere on those planets of our Great Universe upon which three-brained beings breed, the perfecting of Objective-Reason can proceed in them only from personal conscious labors and intentional sufferings.
Discussion
T suggested that cancer could be a metaphor for obstruction and internal decay within systems that resist innovation. N said similarly it brought to mind systems which forght themselves, and L gave the example of ever higher taxation to prevent change to a status quo, which then became more expensive.
Experiences
T had come across a link to the top ten art colleges in the UK, but none of them included life drawing, or any reference to the art and science of drawing and painting. It was so shocking, she did the air quotes gesture and then considered what she had just read, and the true depiction of shadow.
From Course Overview 2024-25 Central Saint Martins BA (Hons) Fine Art |
N had seen someone recently in the street, but could not remember who it was. It was only later that he remembered it was a former collegue, who had aged. A week or so later, N had got a message that the person had died. He went to the funeral, and got talking to someone there. It had been a brain tumour.
L had gone to a pub called the Elephant Inn to meet some old friends. The pub had formerly been called the Moss Hall Tavern, which related to local history, and there was no reason, as far as he knew, for the name change, and he felt sad about that. He forgot to verbalise. He looked at shadows and noticed that the edges of the shadows were not well defined, and liable to shift.
Responses
Responding to N, L said that his meeting with friends, planned months before, had been reduced in number. One had been diagnosed with a brain tumour and was already in palliative care. Since the gathering, this old friend had passed away and L had attended the funeral two days before. L recounted that the day before the funeral, a musician had sent a message containing a rendition of the second movement of Shostakovich's second piano concerto. It was a synchronicity that this same piece was the entrance music at the service. (Later in the meeting, while this was being discussed, there was the clatter of hooves outside which presages a cortege.)
Passage
the psyche of these three-brained beings who have taken your fancy and who breed on the planet Earth has finally become such a unique phenomenon.
“This psychic particularity, namely, of falling into a ‘hypnotic state,’ is, as I have already said, inherent to the three-brained beings only of this planet of yours, and one can therefore say that if they did not exist, then in all our Great Universe there would not exist in general even a being-notion of ‘hypnotism.’
Discussion
T wondered if this meant that uniquely on our planet, we were all in a hypnotic state continually, whereas all other planets were conscious.
Experiences
Following a doctor's appointment, which focused on the importance of weight loss to reduce blood pressure, N had decided to change his diet, replacing morning croissants with apples and integrating more fruit, and having a light meal in the evening. This had led to noticeable weight loss and improved well-being. He had also switched to decaf coffee and tea. He was feeling optimistic about the positive impact from these changes.
L had often felt tired after breakfast, suspecting it was due to carbohydrates. He reduced cereal intake. Additionally, he usually took multivitamins and vitamin C but questioned their long-term benefits. He had become more aware of coffee consumption, noting that drinking it too early could interfere with the body's natural cortisol development. He decided to wait an hour after waking before having coffee and had shifted his caffeine intake to mid to late morning to avoid disturbing his sleep. These changes had possibly been beneficial.
J noted that the question was in two parts: how good it was for you, and how it made you feel. He had done some research into it, and quite liked falafel. Apparently it had a lot of protein with it, and potassium, with quite a bit of iron. On the downside there were saturated fats. He thought it was not short term; it was long term. You didn't feel very differently, but the long term effects, he thought, were probably beneficial. So it was more about a lifestyle than a particular meal.
T had taken a tangy vitamin tablet daily to ensure sufficient vitamin C intake but had concerns about unwanted ingredients and extracted chemicals. Her trust in pharmaceuticals was low, and she felt uneasy about taking the tablet every morning. She decided to stop, worrying about vitamin C deficiency. This fear affected her emotions and drained her adrenaline. She learned that foods like stone fruits, blackberries, coconut, prunes, bok choy, green bell peppers, sweet corn, eggplant, and turnips naturally contain sorbitol, an ingredient in the tablet. Despite understanding the natural sources, she had found it hard to integrate the challenge.
Responses
Responding to N, T recommended a podcast featuring Dr. Philip Avandia, a heart surgeon emphasizing metabolic health and the impact of processed foods on obesity and heart disease.
Passage
In the hotel where we had the place of our existence, next to my room, or as is said there in the ‘number’ next to mine, there existed a very sympathetic pair of beings who had only recently completed the sacrament of the Union of the Active with the Passive for the purpose of serving the Great All-Universal Trogoautoegocratic process for the prolongation of their generation, or, as they themselves would say, had ‘been married,’ and they were still considered ‘newlywed.’
Discussion
N thought this way of putting it suggested that beings on Earth were created for bigger purposes than might be apparent.
Passage
I instantly ran to them and it turned out there, that ‘himself' was not at home, for on that very day he had had to go off somewhere; and during this time she had felt faint and, almost without consciousness, had instinctively rapped on my wall.
Discussion
T thought this couild be a metaphor for the Work. L added there was also the connotation of something new.
Experiences
N had spent time noticing his cravings over the month. He had felt a strong temptation towards chocolate, particularly around four o'clock each day. This craving had frustrated him when there was no chocolate available. He had wondered if it was a physical need for energy or a desire for a treat or reward. He was able to get chocolate bars at the office, which had satisfied his cravings. However, he thought the craving might be deeper, possibly a need for emotional recognition after working all day.
L had been watching an interesting YouTube video about a new AI model but remembered the challenge. He had questioned whether it was a craving or a need and realised he needed to look at his to-do list instead of watching videos. So he swallowed and looked at the to-do list. Throughout the month, he had frequently asked himself this question. He found it often was not a need but a craving. This reflection had changed his thinking. He recalled a quote from Will Durrant on Aristotle: We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. He believed choosing needs over cravings could become a habit.
Responses
Responding to N, T mentioned James Clear's book Atomic Habits, which suggests recognizing and substituting habits. She suggested that N’s craving might actually be a need to move his body, as he moves his mouth when eating chocolate. She suggested substituting walking outside after a long day at the office, akin to a daily medicine.
Passage
Now listen, my boy, to the information about the newly invented name of those terrestrial contemporary physicians articulated as ‘doctor.’
It would seem that this invention is that also of the beings of the ‘important’ community of Germany there, and they invented this articulation for the purpose of defining some merit or other of some among them, but this same invention of theirs, which was widely spread on the whole of their planet, became, for some reason or other, the ordinary nominal name for all the contemporary physicians there.
It must be even emphasized that, thanks to this invention of theirs, there was added there yet one more to the number of factors, the totality of which constantly leads them into error...
Discussion
N discussed how the term doctor initially signified merit but later became a general title, diluting its original significance. L said the word was used for many other fields outside medicine. N said there were many fake degrees, which undermining the credibility of the title "Doctor". T talked about the scarcity of doctors and the implications of reducing training standards. It was now possible to work with patients after only two years study.
Experiences
L had looked at the website of a local NHS Medical Centre, which did not entirely refect reality. The website included a mission statement focused on patient empowerment and environmental well-being, accompanied by cheerful cartoons of smiling poeple. Yet to communicate with the centre, it was necessity to phone at a precise time with limited chances of getting through, prolonged waiting times, and discourteous communication. Also the artist credited with the cartoons was stated to be a patient, but in fact was a professional artist based in a different part of the country.
N said that he had started to research the life of A E Housman, as a talk about the poet was coming up at his club, and found that contemporary interpretations often emphasised Houseman's repressed homosexuality and speculated about his private life. N noted that such perspectives might overshadow the poet's contributions, reducing them to mere reflections of societal biases rather than expressions of the human spirit.
Responses
N said there was pressure in society that everybody conformed to a particular perspective in the world, and he thought this was very dangerous. T talked of people being cancelled for having the wrong views. L said that Gurdjieff had described somebody as having been anathematised.
Passage
Thereafter our highly respected analytic-chemist takes from his table a form on which official title is indicated and writes:
“The powder sent to us for analysis proves to be, according to all the data, Dover’s powder. The analysis showed it to contain…” And he copies a formula from his German pharmaceutical guide, deliberately increasing or diminishing some of the figures, but increasing or diminishing them of course only very slightly so that they may not slap you in the eye.
...The form thus written is dispatched to him who sent the Dover’s powder, and the famous analytic-chemist himself is quite at peace as no one knows that he has made no analysis at all...
Discussion
N highlighted the lack of accountability and the chemist's security in knowing that no one could double-check his work, comparing it to how evidence can be destroyed to prevent verification.
Passage
Personally, in my handling of these remedies for many years, a definite opinion has been formed in me that none of the remedies known to contemporary medicine can be of any use at all without faith in it.
And faith in a person concerning any remedy arises only when the given remedy is known and when many people say that it is very good for a certain illness.
It is just the same with this powder of ours; once it is called Dover’s powder, that is enough, because everybody already knows it and many people often say of it that it is excellent for coughs.
And besides, speaking candidly, our new composition of Dover’s powder is much better than the real one made from the prescription of Dover himself, if only because it contains no substance injurious to the organism...
Discussion
N mentioned the placebo effect, that belief in the remedy's effectiveness is more important than its actual ingredients.
Passage
But from the powder made from our prescription this would never happen, since it contains none of that opium or any other substance harmful to the organism.
In short, my esteemed Doctor, every one ought, when walking in the streets, to shout from the bottom of his heart: “Long live the new prescription for Dover’s powder!”
Discussion
N described the historical promotion of addictive substances, making this celebration of a non-addictive alternative particularly poignant.
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